Did Jesus in Human Form Ever Existed before he was born by Mary

Did Jesus create his mother?

Gospel of John new invention additions to the other three Gospels

New fabrication in book of John to promote the Christian creed about Jesus the way.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (NIV)

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (NIV)

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Dr. Nedzib Sacirbey

Search result for: Aziza & Nedzib, activism to save lives, struggle for identity, imprisonment, medical studies, political refugees and romantic love. Aziza Alajbegovic and Nedzib Sacirbeogovic met as teen students in Sarajevo, Bosnia & Herzegovina - Aziza a studying at Sarajevo's premier Islamic madresa and Nedzib from a long lined Bosnian family. As World War II raged, Aziza initiated a rescue of around 2,000 refugees threatened with extermination and that war's extensive ethnic cleansing pogroms. They jointly strived to save the unique identity of "Bosnian Muslims" under threat from fascist and authoritarian communist campaigns after the war. Married, imprisoned, medical students and refugees, the life of Dr. Aziza Sacirbey and Dr. Nedzib Sacirbey in many ways represents the struggle of so many others at that time. Aziza passed away over 20 years earlier, sons Muhamed and Omar along with Nedzib document the life of this unique couple who are everything but the stereotype of today's image of European Islam and the identity of a pluralistic Yugoslavia then and Bosnia & Herzegovina today. FaceBook at "Bosnia TV".

The Bible

The oldest surviving complete text of the New Testament is the Codex Sinaiticus, dating back to the middle of the fourth century. The oldest fragments, the Bodmer and Beatty Papyri and Papyrus 52, date back to the second century but only contain bits of the Gospel of John. All of these texts are Greek.

Jesus's native tongue was Aramaic, and even if he knew Greek, he certainly did not speak it to his apostles, many of whom were uneducated fishermen. Without any surviving Aramaic texts, the actual words of Christ are lost forever, mired in a sea of subjective translation by ancient scribes.

The four canonical gospels did not begin their lives as the gospels of "Matthew," "Mark," "Luke" and "John." Different groups of early Christians maintained their own oral traditions of Jesus's wisdom, as writing was a specialized skill and not every fellowship enjoyed the services of a scribe.

When written accounts of Jesus's teachings began to circulate (i.e., the theoretical "sayings" gospel Q and the Semeia or Signs source), the independent groups would supplement them with their OWN traditions about the savior, each believing their own versions to be "the Gospel."

Eventually, as these expanded writings spread through other communities, some versions were viewed as having more authority than others. It was not until the pronouncement of Bishop Irenus (185 C.E.) that Christians began to accept only the four familiar gospels as authoritative, and to refer to them by their modern titles.

Bible End of time "stars falling from the sky" Matthew Nonesense

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Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
http://100prophecies.org/page9.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_prophecy

Trinity is rejected on Intellectual Basis

It does not hold water.

The Bible is a book of fabricated stories and fancy stories

The \Bible is collection of amazing stories and fairy tales. There are lot of narritives which were invented.

Christianity Son of God Confusion and Myth

The Term "Son of God" occurs 47 times in the King James New Testament.

eternal Son who is equal to God the Father (John 5:18-24).

It is Jesus who fully reveals the Father (Matt. 11:27).

 He is the exact representation of the Father (Heb. 1:1-3), He possesses all authority in heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18),

and Jesus had glory with the Father before the world was made (John 17:5).

The Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door, distribute the Watchtower and Awake magazines, deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and deny his physical resurrection.

http://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-beliefs

Mormonism, also known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, claims to be the restoration of the true gospel and a revelation of the true God. Find out about its teachings of men becoming gods, temples, the Book of Mormon, and Joseph Smith who claimed to have seen God the Father.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=1wglwIJftvA

Jesus had some close friends; Lazarus and his sisters Mary and Martha. He often visited in their home.

One day Martha sent word to Jesus that Lazarus was sick, but He didn't go to them right away. He waited and during that time Lazarus died.

When Jesus finally decided to go to Bethany, Lazarus had been dead for four days. Martha heard that Jesus was coming and she ran out of the house to meet him. He was at the edge of the town, but had not entered it yet. She said that if Jesus had been there, Lazarus would not have died.

Jesus said, "Your brother will rise again." Martha thought he was speaking of the resurrection at the end of time. She didn't seem to understand that Jesus was talking about a time very soon.

Jesus talked to her about the resurrection and asked her if she believed. She said, "Yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God who was to come into the world."

Martha went to get her sister, Mary, who came and fell at Jesus' feet. She said the same thing that Martha had said, "If you had been here he would not have died."

When Jesus saw them crying, he also cried with them.

They went to the place where Lazarus had been buried. It was a cave with a stone over the opening. Jesus told them to take away the stone.

Then he prayed to God and said, "Lazarus, come out!", and from the cave Lazarus came walking out. He was wrapped up with strips of linen and a cloth around his face.

Jesus said, "Take off the grave clothes and let him go."

Mary and Martha and their friends were so happy. Lazarus was alive and back with them again! After this, many of the Jews believed on Jesus.

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Christianity foundation is the notion of sin

Christianity is a cult that emphasizes what happens after we die -- whether we end up happy forever or tortured forever. The mythical story of Jesus' crucifixion is a horrible, sadistic story of human sacrifice. Christians even celebrate it by ceremoniously drinking his blood and eating his body. This is ritual vampirism and cannibalism.

The idea of blood sacrifice for atonement (i.e. the mythical Jesus dying for other people's sins) is immoral -- punishing the innocent to free the guilty. But, it's good marketing

If not for Joseph Jesus would not be Legitimate

Luke traces Him through Mary's lineage (she's not mentioned in the geneology itself because wasn't customary to mention women in them, as with the OT geneologies. Matthew broke this trend for theological reasons I can explain later if you'd like.)

Matthew goes through Joseph because he was Jesus' legal father. Thus, he, too, had to be of the line of David in order for Jesus' qualification as Messiah and King to be legitimate.

Hell and Christianity

http://www.creationcrisis.com/Lamplighter-022006.pdf

Hell in Christianity

THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTION OF HELL

A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth - "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).

A place of outer darkness - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 22:13).

A place of torments - "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23).

A place of Sorrows - "The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;" (2 Samuel 22:6).

A place of everlasting destruction - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (II Thessalonians 1:9).

A place where men are tormented with fire and brimstone - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

A place where fire is not quenched - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44).

A bottomless pit - "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Revelation 9:2).

A place of no rest - "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" (Revelation 14:11).

It is ultimately a lake of fire - "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14).

A place of hopeless of unsatisfied desires - "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame " (Luke 16:24). The rich man wanted water but could not get any.

A place of hopelessness and suffering - as a woman is about to give birth to a child, many go through painful labor that can last from a few minutes to a few days. But through this painful anguishing time, there is hope that when the child is born this terrible labor pain will subside. Just imagine if you can if that pain was multiplied many times over and you would never have hope of it ever going away forever? You would do anything to die to get rid of the pain, but it would always remain and continue forever and ever and ever. THIS IS HELL!

A place of memory - When a person is tormented with a bitter memory they sometimes may commit suicide as a way out. In hell this is impossible because your spirit will never die, but will always remember how you sold your soul for the pleasures of this short sinful life. You will continue to always wish you were in heaven instead of hell, if only you would have made the right decision.

Oh man or woman, boy or girl without Christ, if only you would realize how dangerously close you are to hell. With each second that passes by, you are drawing nearer and nearer to hell. Actually this night your soul may be required of you and will pass into an eternity of the fires of hell that are never quenched!

Oh how completely the opposite is the Christian who knows the Lord Jesus as their Lord and Savior. They are living for Him now and wait with expedient hope of His return or when they will also get to pass into eternity and experience the complete glorious bliss called heaven.

Why do most people give up heaven for hell?

A). Is it because they don't want to change their lives and live for their creator who is really the only one worthy of living for? Is it because they want to live for themselves their own way until their hearts are content? Those who live this way believe that this will give them happiness. But sadly, they are giving up heaven for not only hell, but failures, despair, and some times of what some would call hell on earth. This kind of living will never "fill the void" or will never bring "fulfillment", but will always amount in a longing for more out of life. As a person lives for themselves they become selfish. This selfishness brings forth sin, and sin only produces death and destruction.

By rejecting Christ, people are really giving up a heaven on earth. The void is completely filled with the only one that can fill it. Jesus Christ is the only one who brings true purpose and meaning to lives, not material items. A hope of eternal life with Christ the Savior fulfills and is all the heart truly needs.
http://www.hellhappens.com/description-of-hell.htm

The Story of Jesus and Nativity in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke

Two Gospels, Matthew and Luke, chronicle the birth of Jesus. These accounts show that only lowly shepherds from nearby fields visited Jesus at his birth. The so-called kings, or wise men, were in reality astrologers, not royalty, and they are not numbered. The astrologers did not journey to the side of a newborn in a manger but arrived when Jesus was a child and was living in a house. Their presence even jeopardized the life of Jesus!

Look closely at the account of Jesus’ birth by Bible writer Luke, and you will find that it says: “There were . . . shepherds living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks. And suddenly Jehovah’s angel stood by them, and . . . said to them: ‘. . . You will find an infant bound in cloth bands and lying in a manger.’ . . . And they went with haste and found Mary as well as Joseph, and the infant lying in the manger.”—Luke 2:8-16.

Only Joseph, Mary, and the shepherds were present with baby Jesus. No one else is listed in Luke’s report.

Now examine the account at Matthew 2:1-11 from the King James Bible: “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem . . . And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother.”

Notice that the account states just “wise men,” not “three wise men,” and that they first traveled from the east to Jerusalem, not to the birth city of Jesus, Bethlehem. By the time they finally reached Bethlehem, Jesus was a “young child”—no longer a baby—and no longer in a stable but in a house.

Also, while the King James Bible uses the words “wise men” in describing these visitors, other translations use “Magi” or “astrologers.” According to A Handbook on the Gospel of Matthew, the expression “wise men” translates “a Greek noun which originally referred to Persian priests who were experts in astrology.” And The Expanded Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words defines the word as “a wizard, sorcerer, a pretender to magic powers, a professor of the arts of witchcraft.”

Although astrology and witchcraft are still popular today, the Bible warns against their use. (Isaiah 47:13-15) They are forms of spiritism and are practices that Jehovah God abhors. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) That is why no angel of God announced the birth of Jesus to the astrologers. However, by means of divine intervention in a dream, they were warned not to report back to wicked King Herod, since he sought to kill Jesus. So “they withdrew to their country by another way.”—Matthew 2:11-16.

Would true Christians want to perpetuate a fabled Nativity that distorts the truth surrounding the birth of Jesus? Surely the answer is no.

http://watchtower.org/e/20091201a/article_01.htm

Jesus, Paul and Gospels Discussion

• The whole story of Jesus is just a myth, filled with "miraculous" events like walking on water and coming back from the dead. I suggest not getting too wrapped up in it.

There's no reliable evidence that Jesus even existed. The story of Jesus is just a myth cobbled together out of prophesy and stories from the Old Testament and previous gods and myths -- created in the 40's and 50's by Paul of Tarsus (who exhibited evidence of epilepsy and had delusions of Christ talking to him), the other apostles, the unknown authors of the gospels in the 70's or later, and many other people. The reliable evidence for this is overwhelming.

Paul and the other epistle writers don't know any biographical details of Jesus' life, or even the time of his earthly existence. They don't refer to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha — or any pilgrimages to what should have been holy sites of Jesus' life. They also don't mention any miracles that Jesus was supposed to have worked, his virgin birth, his trial, the empty tomb, his moral teachings, his disciples, or even when he existed. To them Jesus was largely a sky-god, who existed in the spiritual past.

If Jesus had actually existed, Paul would have written about his life, disciples, and teachings. Paul did not write about any of this.

If Jesus had actually existed, the gospels would have been written in first person format. Instead, they were written in third person format like a Harry Potter story, with Matthew and Luke extensively plagiarizing from Mark.

If Jesus had actually existed, at least one of the approximately 30 local historians of the first century would have written about him. No historian of the first century wrote about him or his disciples.

The Horus-Jesus Connection Origin of Christianity

Christ in Egypt:
The Horus-Jesus Connection
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Christianity is Stool Standing on Three Legs: Darn Apple, Blood Shed and Mystery Rise to Heaven

If any of the three legs of Christianity break the stool will fall and the whole Christianity will collapse and be mortally wounded.

If the apple and the snake story is not true one leg breaks and Christianity is done with.

If there was no blood shed and Jesus was not killed Christianity is gone. 

If the legend Jesus rise from dead is not true Christianity is gone. 

So Christianity is based actually on three weird stories and nothing of intrinsic intellectual depth. 

It is like buying a lottery ticket and hoping all the three numbers are correct. If you win the three numbers you do not win 50 million dollars but much and much better deal you go to heaven. 

Bingo good luck boys and girls go for heaven.

Sin is the Foundation of Christianity

Without the concept of sin Christianity collapses.